BTW Joe, ebay stood behind that $850 purchase I mentioned that arrived damaged a few weeks ago. Once I gave up trying to deal with the seller and escalated it to a claim yesterday it only took a couple of hours before ebay found in my favor. The seller did a poor job of packing. His "double boxing" was just two pieces of cardboard taped to the side of the boombox. The seller wrapped the box in many many layers of 3 mil plastic, but really what was that supposed to do?? There was not enough bubblewrap, a few packing peanuts that worked their way to one side, providing no protection and the flimsy "Chinese" or "Ceiling Fan" box did not help either. I believe he had good intentions, but the execution was not there. Even though the seller stated that he would not accept returns I get to send it back to the seller, and he can deal with it. I will get a full refund, including shipping to me, I just have to cover shipping back to him. Still I would rather have had the deal work out, but what can you do...