greedy seller ???

[Superduper]

For your information Claret:

(1) not every post is about you, and
(2) Capitalism has not failed. It IS failing, however not because of capitalism itself but because some in our country can't stop experimenting with failed socialistic policies. But that is a discussion for another day, on another forum.

 

[MasterBlaster84]

i think a greedy seller is one of those who steals your money and sends no box and then closes his ebay account .

That's not greedy that's a thief.

 

[Ken]

Supa
You always come across real bitter with some of your posts.

Who the hell is entitled to anything? Except the cold truth sometimes?

and btw - the capitalism which your country "embraces" failed - like it failed in my country/community

just a thought I wanted to put out there

shalom

Norm & I can only argue about whether Capitalism is succeeding or in retreat in our Country. I think it's succeeding even though a paticularly activist SCOTUS decides corporations are people and money is speech.

But that's between Him & Me. You guys got three parties over there. 50% more entertaining,,,

 

[redbenjoe]

in the meantime --,,,,,,
nobody has jumped in the play the game -
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like --
in the tosh 40 BIN sale --

we all agree --the guy scored it for 5 bucks -
so putting up a BIN a 4 bucks would be stupid -- right ?

but - lets get real --
what about 6 bucks --is that greedy /

or 60 or 600 or 6000 ???

 

[MasterBlaster84]

No one is obligated to sell at any price.
If you own it you can sell it for what you want or at least try to sell it for what you want, the market will decide if it's to much.

 

[floyd]

i think a greedy seller is one of those who steals your money and sends no box and then closes his ebay account .

That's not greedy that's a thief.

also in an auction the seller can't be greedy unless you help them . now a greedy buyer that's a different story and if they have the money to back up the greed then that's how they win ,but in the end we all lose because once people see that an item is highly valued by collectors there goes the neighborhood and no more affordable boxes .

there is always going to be people willing to spend big money on boxes and that's what drives up the prices then the sellers see this and want to cash in . can't blame em' hell if people wanted to go to a bidding war on my shlt i say bid away but that don't make me greedy just smart enough to take the money the fools want to give me and send em' the box i'll just go get another one somewhere besides ebay for a few bucks and laugh my ass off .

 

[Superduper]

The secret to success has always been: buy low, sell high Now accomplishing that is not always so easy.

 

[MasterBlaster84]

in an auction the seller can't be greedy unless you help them . now a greedy buyer that's a different story and if they have the money to back up the greed then that's how they win ,but in the end we all lose because once people see that an item is highly valued by collectors there goes the neighborhood and no more affordable boxes .

there is always going to be people willing to spend big money on boxes and that's what drives up the prices then the sellers see this and want to cash in . can't blame em' hell if people wanted to go to a bidding war on my shlt i say bid away but that don't make me greedy just smart enough to take the money the fools want to give me and send em' the box i'll just go get another one somewhere besides ebay for a few bucks and laugh my ass off .

Exactly Floyd which is why I really don't have a problem with the prices paid. The only time I really care at all is when I want a box that sells for way more than I'm willing to spend but then I realize if I could buy every box I wanted for $20 this really wouldn't be much fun and I'd be buried in boxes I shouldn't have bought.

As it is I have some boxes I probably shouldn't have bought but sometimes you have to make the wrong call to get to the right one.

 

[Reli]

Norm & I can only argue about whether Capitalism is succeeding or in retreat in our Country. I think it's succeeding even though a paticularly activist SCOTUS decides corporations are people and money is speech.

Yeah I've never understood how they felt THAT was a good idea

I wouldn't call America a democracy anymore, I'd call it a corporatocracy.

What's up with tax breaks for oil companies? Since when does that industry need a tax break?

What's up with allowing multinational corp's to avoid US taxes just because they have operations overseas?

What's up with privatizing so much of our military and even our prison system? People who are paid twice as much as government employees, and don't have to follow a code of conduct or be subject to the UCMJ. Yeah that's a really good idea. Not.

 

[ClaretBadger]

Supa - intrestin, i'll take your word on that

meanwhile - while this "economic system" that we all seem to have adopted that was sold to us as a capitalist free market - which is actually a playing field of around 4 cronies and their mates - let's not fool ourselves that all we're being privy to is a big **** sandwich - which we all have to take a big bite of.


You do come across a little sensitive though

brother need a hug?

 

[bashngu]

We are ALL greedy!!! And if you say or think you arent then you are full of sht. You can rationalize it or phrase it any way you want to but plain and simple, we are ALL greedy. Things are sold for a variety of reasons. ( I.E. need of fast money, to make a living, to supplement income, to use money toward something else that is wanted etc...etc...etc...) It is the individual themselves that has to weigh their needs vs "how much do I want to try to get for this?"

A person who may be more in need of money at a specific time may decide to part with something for less than what he normally would have. Does that make them generous? lol No, they just acted to meet their current needs and this in turn may result in what the buyer may call a "good deal".

On the opposite side of the coin if someone has the time to wait and wants to try to get top dollar for his/her item then so be it. The risk they take holding out too long is that they may lose out on a sale they could have had from the one person who would have spent more than anyone else but not quite as much as the seller wanted. Such is life.

The term "greedy" seems to work conveniently in the case of a buyer who wants something but the only one available is being sold by a seller for more than he/she wants to spend. So the seller is greedy in their eyes. But remember a buyer can be just as greedy.

We are all greedy........ period. Dont try to fool yourself.

 

[redbenjoe]

thanks for your input , bash -
you always have a cool // objective side of such matters

 

[Terry]

International Valuation Standards defines market value as "the estimated amount for which a property should exchange on the date of valuation between a willing buyer and a willing seller in an arm’s-length transaction after proper marketing wherein the parties had each acted knowledgeably, prudently, and without compulsion.

(from wiki)

If I'm offered a grail boombox for $10.00 dollars, and I have $10.00 and I'm willing to buy, then the market value at the time of sale is $10.00

If I'm offered the same grail at $1500.00 and I have $1500.00 and I'm willing to buy, then the market value at the time of sale is $1500.00.

If you think I'm a sucker for paying that much, and the seller is greedy for asking that much, then buy your own grail, at the price you want. to pay. I'll be OK with it while jammin' to my new box. If perchance I did pay too much, then I'm happy to justify that to myself.

Greedy? More a case of the seller not wanting to meet the market.

 

[redbenjoe]

thinking :

that we are all greedy buyers --
or at least --we are buyers looking for incredible scores $$ -- RIGHT ??

like --admit that we all are just like me--
i dream of waking up a 4AM --sneaking up on my computer-
loggin on to ebay --
to find a BIN NIB M90 waiting for me at 12 bucks --
and 1/4 mile away

 

[ClaretBadger]

dream the dream baby
it CAN happen

maybe on xmas eve too?

I wish that for ALL of us!

 

[Gluecifer]

We are ALL greedy!!! And if you say or think you arent then you are full of sht. You can rationalize it or phrase it any way you want to but plain and simple, we are ALL greedy. Things are sold for a variety of reasons. ( I.E. need of fast money, to make a living, to supplement income, to use money toward something else that is wanted etc...etc...etc...) It is the individual themselves that has to weigh their needs vs "how much do I want to try to get for this?"

A person who may be more in need of money at a specific time may decide to part with something for less than what he normally would have. Does that make them generous? lol No, they just acted to meet their current needs and this in turn may result in what the buyer may call a "good deal".

On the opposite side of the coin if someone has the time to wait and wants to try to get top dollar for his/her item then so be it. The risk they take holding out too long is that they may lose out on a sale they could have had from the one person who would have spent more than anyone else but not quite as much as the seller wanted. Such is life.

The term "greedy" seems to work conveniently in the case of a buyer who wants something but the only one available is being sold by a seller for more than he/she wants to spend. So the seller is greedy in their eyes. But remember a buyer can be just as greedy.

We are all greedy........ period. Dont try to fool yourself.

Thanks for writing what I was going to, Bash! On the money!



Rock On.

 

[ClaretBadger]

We are ALL greedy!!! And if you say or think you arent then you are full of sht. You can rationalize it or phrase it any way you want to but plain and simple, we are ALL greedy. Things are sold for a variety of reasons. ( I.E. need of fast money, to make a living, to supplement income, to use money toward something else that is wanted etc...etc...etc...) It is the individual themselves that has to weigh their needs vs "how much do I want to try to get for this?"

A person who may be more in need of money at a specific time may decide to part with something for less than what he normally would have. Does that make them generous? lol No, they just acted to meet their current needs and this in turn may result in what the buyer may call a "good deal".

On the opposite side of the coin if someone has the time to wait and wants to try to get top dollar for his/her item then so be it. The risk they take holding out too long is that they may lose out on a sale they could have had from the one person who would have spent more than anyone else but not quite as much as the seller wanted. Such is life.

The term "greedy" seems to work conveniently in the case of a buyer who wants something but the only one available is being sold by a seller for more than he/she wants to spend. So the seller is greedy in their eyes. But remember a buyer can be just as greedy.

We are all greedy........ period. Dont try to fool yourself.

Thanks for writing what I was going to, Bash! On the money!.

Everyone wants a good deal
I think that is simple transaction 101

I don't think anyone disputes that - but the activites of an auction room bring out the worst in some people - even borderline hysteria!
And eBay has done more than most to distort what is a fair/regular price of any item.

Everyone can now see historic prices on eBay and some may judge these to be "the" expected cost - wheras in fact, as has been stated sucinctly by another poster - if there is an active buyer at that particular time, looking for that particular model, and he has the available funds - he will pay WHATEVER It takes to get his wish.

AND WHY THE HELL NOT?
bully for them!

On the flipside - wheras you once had to trail shops and local rags and could find what in your head was a bargain for an 80's masterpiece in plastic and semiconductors - you can now dip into the INTERNATIONAL GLOBAL boot sale that is eBay - and that my friends is where the crap shoot starts

One day Buyer wins
other day Seller wins

One day you score a minter
other days you score a dog

and I think you know what side you'd like to be on - on any given transaction.

I am not so naive to think I or any of us deserve any box at the cost we decide - but we CAN use the historic costs to make an analytical and statistical logic to deternine what the cost should be - shouldn't we?

Maybe I am naive

My posts in the past have merely been to highlight what looks at first sight to be suspiciously high final bids - but this as I realise is the LUCK OF THE AUCTION HOUSE - and the only people winning are EBAY - they get an insertion fee, a final price fee - and a PAYPAL fee.

Sometime I wish for less "enlightened" times


Happy Tuesday everyone

be lucky

and get/sell the box you want - and get the price that is right (Best Bob Barker voice)

love

nick

 

[redbenjoe]

nice post CB --
looks like we are all on the same planet

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and that prompts me to call LOUD // exclusive ?? and perennial DIBS

on EVERYTHING imp:

 

[Reli]

Before Ebay, it wasn't possible to calculate a "fair market value" for ANY box.

Think about it.......

First, where do most of you sell? Ebay. You sure as hell don't sell here! So how are you gonna know the fair value of a box, without ebay?

Secondly, a bunch of goons like us, chatting on a boombox forum, do NOT comprise a market.

Sure, the mere 100-200 of us might cast votes and decide that $50 is a "fair price" for a box, considering it's 30 years old and obsolete.....

But what about people who don't visit forums. They just see something nostalgic on Ebay and bid on it. Suddenly, the market value goes up, because guess what, Ebay opened up a large, legitimate market for that item.........Not a closed market consisting of only 100-200 dudes.

 

[Superduper]

Secondly, a bunch of goons like us...............

Hey! Speak for yourself.... Some of us do not a goon make. :superduper: