Uher Power Port 2 only one channel

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Arbusto67

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Hi everyone, I recently acquired the boombox in the title and I'm trying to repair it because it only sounds from the right channel, the left one makes a very faint sound wich is only audible cranking up the volume. I tried the usual things that come to mind when you face this kind of symptoms, such as deoxidizing pots, cleaning the REC/PLAY bar, cleaning the source switch, but unfortunately to no avail. Tried to search the internet for a service manual, even using the original Samsung P72s model, but was able to find absolutely nothing. All of the components on the amplifier board do not seem to be damaged, burned or something.
Have you guys got an idea that could point me in the right direction? The boombox is nice and I don't want to scrap It...
Thanks a lot in advance.
 

Arbusto67

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Hi Floyd, not yet actually, it seems like a preamplifier issue since it affects every source (I tested the radio and the aux input, the cassette deck has the usual problems with belts and I didn't replace them yet), but I will check it out. Many thanks for the suggestion.
 

rivetmaster

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I have a Hitachi TRK 9230 with the same problem. Nothing looks wrong on the boards. I've done the same switch cleaning.

I'd like to know how you get on because it could be a similar fix for me.

I'm thinking about swapping the Amp ICs.
 

Arbusto67

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Tested with headphones and the same problem, left channel essentially muted. I don't know what else to check, I think I'll have to give up on this thing...
 

Cpl-Chronic

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If you're good with a soldering iron, you could try to reflow the joints around the amp chip/chips. I had a Citiezen boombox with similar issue. It would work great for about 10 seconds, then the left channel would cut out. I reflowed the solder on the IC connections to the board & viola! It works great now, no issues.
 

Arbusto67

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Hi Cpl-chronic, I checked the solders of the amplifier chip with a magnifying glass and all of them seem to be Ok, only one looks to be slightly lifted up from the board but I checked the continuity between that one and another point and it tested good. I can solder and I will try and reflow all of that joints to see if something changes, thanks for your suggestion, really appreciated.
 

Arbusto67

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Tried reflowing the solders of the power amplifier chip and, you guess it? No left channel... I think I need an exorcist!
 

Arbusto67

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Sooo, I decided to thoroughly clean the source switch, removed it from the board, disassembled it and cleaned the contacts with very fine grit paper (they were dirty but noticed that the areas where the sliding contacts move were essentially clean, so I think that the deoxidizing spray actually did its job), reassembled everything aaand, guess what? No left channel! I think that the only possibility is that one (or more) component on the board is bad or out of specs, but without the service manual or at least a scheme to be able to trace the left channel path it's extremely difficult to spot. I hope that something else will come to my mind...
 

Arbusto67

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Checked the board another time with a magnifying lens and I seemed to spot a not perfectly looking capacitor, checked It with my chinese ESR meter and it turned out to be out of specs, so I replaced it with a new one, tested the device and the left channel is still essentially missing... I think that this was probably my best bet to repair this thing, now I'm loosing every hope, damn!
 
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Arbusto67

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In the meantime I did other tests, I connected the DIN input/output socket to an external amplifier and the left channel is essentially missing, so this seems to confirm that the problem resides in the preamp area of the main board. Then I checked three small transistors (type C945) on the board with my multimeter but they gave the same results of a new equivalent AN2222 transistor that I found in an Aliexpress set of various TO-92 transistors I have bought some time ago, so I can say that they are OK. I'm going on only by inertia...
 

Spax

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Not wanting to sound sacrilegious; does there come a point when in order to ensure a boom box can continue to function then bypassing the amp stages with a comparable class D chip amp would return it to working order with no outward change?

I understand that the accoustic signature could be changed but at least it would sing again?
 
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floyd

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Not wanting to sound sacrilegious; does there come a point when in order to ensure a boom box can continue to function then bypassing the amp stages with a comparable class D chip amp would return it to working order with no outward change?

I understand that the accoustic signature could be changed but at least it would sing again?
Sometimes you have to do what it takes to get results. Bypassing the amp is doable but it's a lot of work.
 

Arbusto67

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I agree with floyd, furthermore you have to consider that for me this hobby is more like a challenge to see if I'm able to understand which is the problem and how to sort it out, so...
 

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Not wanting to sound sacrilegious; does there come a point when in order to ensure a boom box can continue to function then bypassing the amp stages with a comparable class D chip amp would return it to working order with no outward change?

I understand that the accoustic signature could be changed but at least it would sing again?
Well, if you read the OP post carefully, you will see that he has a problem with a bad left channel, not a NO-SOUND issue. If the issue is in the left channel of the preamp section of the boombox, how would retrofitting a different amplifier make any difference at all? It won't. And if the purpose of the amplifier retrofit is to replace a blown amplifier output, most boomboxes utilize integrated chip amplifiers, which means it can be replaced simply by desoldering and replacing that chip... far easier than trying to do a retrofit.

I agree with floyd, furthermore you have to consider that for me this hobby is more like a challenge to see if I'm able to understand which is the problem and how to sort it out, so...
I personally find fixing a dead channel an easier challenge than some mysterious or intermittent gremlins. First you need to determine if the issue is in the preamp or the power amp. If your boombox has a line-out or other form of external monitor (rec-out maybe?), this is a way to test that. Both line-out or rec-out are line level preamp outputs. If you get a bad L channel on the external line-outputs, it's very likely you have an issue in the preamp stage. If both channels are good, then you'd need to investigate the output amplifier. Most boomboxes use chip amplifiers. By downloading the datasheet, you'll usually get a sample circuit. In my experience, most product manufacturers follow the sample circuits released by the chip manufacturer fairly closely. More importantly, you can use this to determine which pins are used for the input signals. If you bridge these 2 pins, and you now get output on both channels, then this will confirm that the output amp chip is working fine -- you'll have to look elsewhere. About capacitors, you tested a cap that "looked suspicious" but in my experience, only caps exposed to high temperatures or voltages for long periods will have a physical appearance issue about them. Most caps that I've found bad have exhibited no outward signs of damage. Although removing and testing every capacitor is a tedious task, it is a way for novices with zero diagnostic ability to find and locate bad caps. A far better way is to use a signal tracer. Tracing the signal with a quality audio signal tracer through the audio path will usually reveal where the break in the audio occurs. For example, if you have audio at one lead of a resistor or capacitor, but the audio is not present on the other lead, you've likely found the defective component. Coupling caps are often found on audio signal paths, and an open cap would kill that channel. Shorted caps can also kill a channel too. A simple way to test both is to just test them in-circuit without removal. You probably won't be able to determine their value or esr or anything like that, but you can tell instantly if they are shorted with a simple ohmmeter, and through experience, you will learn to recognize the charging of a working capacitor. See, it's a good thing that you have a working channel, because you can trace both channels back. Both channels are parallel independent circuits but they mirror each other. For each resistor or capacitor on one channel, the opposite channel with have a similar counterpart. Yes, it would be easier if you have a schematic, but without it, the amp output datasheet will give you a great starting point. Work from that point backwards. Finally if you experience any questionable readings, don't fret. Just compare the reading to the counterpart on the working channel and you can find out if it is working properly or not.
 
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Arbusto67

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Hi Superduper and many thanks for your message, it inspires me to go on with the troubleshooting process. The idea of shorting together the 2 input pins on the power amp IC actually came to my mind but I hesitated thinking about the chance of damaging something :), I'll do that but, as I wrote in one of my previous messages (#11), I already tested the line output of the boombox and the left channel is very low volume, so I think that the problem really resides in the preamp section. I'll try out your suggestion of tracing back the signals from the power amp IC with the hope of beeing able to get other useful informations.
Thanks a lot again for your help, really, really appreciated!
 

Arbusto67

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Tried the power IC input pins shorting trick suggested by Superduper but what I got was a quite loud hum in the left channe instead of music (the right channel was still sounding), ouch... I was not expecting this at all, I'm really confused.
 

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Tried the power IC input pins shorting trick suggested by Superduper but what I got was a quite loud hum in the left channe instead of music (the right channel was still sounding), ouch... I was not expecting this at all, I'm really confused.
Be careful that you didn’t identify the pin wrong, very easy to do. Also hard tack a jumper and recheck before powering up. Don’t just use a loose wire and probe around live…. it’s easy to blow things that way if you probed the wrong pin or if the probe slips.
 

Arbusto67

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This boombox uses a Hitachi HA1392 power amp IC, I downloaded a specs PDF and the input pins are 2 and 5 starting from the left side, with the IC in front of you, so I don't think I misunderstood the pins. I will investigate further anyway...
 

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You didn’t say how you bridged the pins, but that hitachi chip has a 45db voltage gain. That means a mere ~5 millivolt signal at the input pin will generate a 1-volt output to the speakers. A 1 volt sine wave at the speakers is quite loud. The point is that a long wire may act as an antenna and pickup hum that gets amplified. That’s why hardwire a tiny jumper first and see. You can use a small resistor instead if you like if one is handy (under 1k).
 
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