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Rockin88

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Maybe the improvement in modern sound and components has escaped you. The M90 original cassette deck would certainly be better but everything else would be improved. FYI...
Very true. Back in the 90s when I was servicing VCRs and camcorders I noticed that year after year video/audio quality improved, while the mechanisms got cheaper. Remember when VCRs weighed a ton? Those things were bulletproof. But their video recording/playback quality wasn't very good. 10 years later the video quality was stellar, but the thing weighed less than a big plate of spaghetti and didn't last long without breaking. So yeah, if you could get a boombox with a quality cassette mech but with modern electronics, that would be awesome. That's what I'm hoping to get with the BB777.
 

mellymelsr

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I was trying to look back at all the different avenues of information that has been sent or shared and I didn't find anything to clear that up in the time I had available to look. Thanks for letting me know.
To calculate tax and shipping the mailing address was needed. Different parts of the country have different tax structures. That part was verified with the survey so the fees were added at that time. Sorry if it caused any confusion.
 

mellymelsr

Member (SA)
Being a consultant on this project has it's perks. I got an early production test model yesterday. It has the same internals as the production model. External differences are shiny gold plated volume knob and tuner knob instead of brushed metal, red colored back cover instead of black, milder red front case instead of deeper red.
First impressions: great build quality. Truly solid as a rock. Strap will be needed for extended carrying because this unit is heavy. My higher quality cassette recording sound really good with plenty of volume. Bluetooth sound is excellent as well. Even at higher volumes there is zero detected distortion. Bass hits smooth and deep. I will be testing more over the next few days...I already love this thing.
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dubout

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To calculate tax and shipping the mailing address was needed. Different parts of the country have different tax structures. That part was verified with the survey so the fees were added at that time. Sorry if it caused any confusion.

I hope you are right. I found confusing that in the pledgebox survey, you first had to make the payment, then put in your address. Shouldn't it be the other way round if the 'tax' is calculated upon the VAT of the country it ships to? The amount to pay could have been sourced from the address in the kickstarter account to show up first but who knows? bumpboxx staff sure doesn't ...

I did the maths and the amount stated as 'tax' on pledgebox equals the amount of VAT that would be added in my country. So maybe you are right.

For weeks, Rob / bumpboxx didn't take concerns serious many many buyers outside the US had – who are a majority I assume. Quite contrary, when he finally reached out two days ago, he laconically said 'As far as taxes go – everyone has to pay taxes. And VAT we have no control over either.' So what is it, tax, sales tax, VAT?! He doesn't know or care – or both, now that buyers are stuck in the process and want their box delivered. It's fine with me, I don't need to be friends with Rob and staff to like their product. But it puts a stale taste on all that 'Without you guys none of this would be possible', 'thanks for making us part of this strong community' bs.

So again, I hope you are right and I didn't pay a sales tax in a country I shouldn't have to pay tax and it was already the VAT.
 
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mellymelsr

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I hope you are right. I found confusing that in the pledgebox survey, you first had to make the payment, then put in your address. Shouldn't it be the other way round if the 'tax' is calculated upon the VAT of the country it ships to? The amount to pay could have been sourced from the address in the kickstarter account to show up first but who knows? bumpboxx staff sure doesn't ...

I did the maths and the amount stated as 'tax' on pledgebox equals the amount of VAT that would be added in my country. So maybe you are right.

For weeks, Rob / bumpboxx didn't take concerns serious many many buyers outside the US had – who are a majority I assume. Quite contrary, when he finally reached out two days ago, he laconically said 'As far as taxes go – everyone has to pay taxes. And VAT we have no control over either.' So what is it, tax, sales tax, VAT?! He doesn't know or care – or both, now that buyers are stuck in the process and want their box delivered. It's fine with me, I don't need to be friends with Rob and staff to like their product. But it puts a stale taste on all that 'Without you guys none of this would be possible', 'thanks for making us part of this strong community' bs.

So again, I hope you are right and I didn't pay a sales tax in a country I shouldn't have to pay tax and it was already the VAT.
I have no idea how VAT or tax works or if it is separate or conjoined. That is up to the individual who lives in said country to understand. Your local government decides those things, not merchants. I know exactly what sales tax is where I live. To be honest Rob isn't supposed to care what your VAT or tax is, you should.
 

IDLookout

Member (SA)
Being a consultant on this project has it's perks. I got an early production test model yesterday. It has the same internals as the production model. External differences are shiny gold plated volume knob and tuner knob instead of brushed metal, red colored back cover instead of black, milder red front case instead of deeper red.
First impressions: great build quality. Truly solid as a rock. Strap will be needed for extended carrying because this unit is heavy. My higher quality cassette recording sound really good with plenty of volume. Bluetooth sound is excellent as well. Even at higher volumes there is zero detected distortion. Bass hits smooth and deep. I will be testing more over the next few days...I already love this thing.

That is so awesome, to have a Unique BB-777 like that, better even than having the #1 or #777 in my mind.

I have a Silver Founders Edition coming my way eventually, so i'll be excited to read your reviews.
 

Transistorized

Member (SA)
I am excited to get my BB-777 because it looks almost identical to the GF-777. I don't have a GF-777 currently, so it will look nice in my collection. This isn't my first Bumpboxx radio. Back in the day I purchased the very first Freestyle boombox speaker that Bumpboxx produced. If I recall correctly, I paid about 5 or 600 hundred dollars for it and I still have it....and it still works to this day. Later, I backed the NWT mini M90 project. I have 3 of them. A blue speaker kickstarter model, a black speaker final production model (when AM was made available) and the Slick Rick version. I enjoy all of my radios new and old and have all of them displayed in my boom room together. I have no regrets on my purchases.

Now comes the part where I am going to try to say what I want to say without offending anyone because that certainly isn't my intention. I want to start off by saying that I absolutely know nothing about mass production or running a fortune 5 hundred company. I can only speak to my personal experiences, feelings and opinions from the customer side of things based on my previous experiences.

I was one of Bumpboxx's first customers from back in the day. I purchased their very first OG Freestyle Bumpboxx many years ago. I was excited to get it out and let it rip :-) After a while I noticed that my songs were not streaming in stereo. I checked my phones Bluetooth settings and noticed when I adjusted the balance left and right the box was Mono. Upon further investigation, the radio was too. I won't lie, I was bit deflated. At the same time I also knew that I should have researched things a bit better. I was one of the first to notice....so my first thought was to make sure this was known so people spending their money would know what to expect. I figured this would be something people would want to know because I knew how I felt after my purchase and found out.

With that being said, I want to be clear here...I am not bashing Bumpboxx. They never claimed that their first model Freestyle was in stereo. I assumed it was because it had a horn tweeter and a 10 inch woofer on each side. But you know what they say about people that assume. Later, it became stereo and that's a good thing. They listened to their customers. For the BB-777 project, I commend Bumpboxx for sending Techmoan a pre-production model to evaluate. This showed me, the customer, that the company has faith and confidence in their product and is willing to address any issues to improve it. There were a few things that Techmoan noticed that, if it was possible in the current stage of production to correct, were corrected. Especially the CD missing a second or two at the beginning track. I would have caught that one. I now know that radio reception is less when charging. This is all valuable information that is nice to know before you buy. So all of that is a huge plus in my book. People should know what they are buying. Some of the things that were corrected would have been a little discouraging to find out later once it arrived at your doorstep... just like my Mono experience.

I have reason to believe that there will be more old school looking radios to come in the future. Quite possibly the M90 or C100 variants. I mention all of this because we know, and it should be expected, that there are going to be differences between the old and new. Not just because of the added features but because of the available componenets today. We are all aware that the cassette transport isn't going to match the old school radios from any new device. In the case of the M90, I have no doubt the company could accomplish making a full logic control cassette mechanism that would replicate the OG M90 transport, but the cost would be so high for that feature that only us boombox enthusiasts would pay that additional price for a high end cassette player. I am guilty at looking at things from the mindset of a collector who knows and owns these original radios. It was brought to my attention, and rightfully so, that most average consumers who will also be purchasing, and need to outside of our community for it to be financially profitable, likely won't even know what a full logic cassette deck is.

In my mind, when I think of an affordable M90 reproduction from Bumpboxx, I see it being made with a mechanical deck with the keys below the cassette door. I see the cassette side buttons that were used on the OG unit for the full logic transport, being used for CD player, Bluetooth and USB/SD card functions. I see the CD player in the middle above the VU meters or possibly off to the side because I doubt it will have 6 SW modes to choose from. But it's possible :cool:

So, if you are getting hyped on the possibility of a M90 from Bumpboxx that's great. Like Melvin mentioned, I would expect it to be better in every way sound and power wise but its cassette player isn't going to be a sophisticated full logic deck like the OG M90. I imagine a moderm M90 example will likely have mechanical keys below the door. This will cosmetically deviate from the original design but is something I would be interested in seeing how that plays out if that is the next radio coming. Modern features alone are going to change the detailed appearance so I guess cassette keys below the door isn't the end of the world and is just my guess on what I think could happen. IMO if you were wanting to keep the original look as much as possible, the C100F would be a better match cosmetically for the decks available today because it naturally has the keys below the cassette door. But again, this is just my opinion. I do not know the first thing about designing a radio.

I am sure whatever they come out with will be something that will sell and be as close to the original in design as possible.
 

Eddy

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I am excited to get my BB-777 because it looks almost identical to the GF-777. I don't have a GF-777 currently, so it will look nice in my collection. This isn't my first Bumpboxx radio. Back in the day I purchased the very first Freestyle boombox speaker that Bumpboxx produced. If I recall correctly, I paid about 5 or 600 hundred dollars for it and I still have it....and it still works to this day. Later, I backed the NWT mini M90 project. I have 3 of them. A blue speaker kickstarter model, a black speaker final production model (when AM was made available) and the Slick Rick version. I enjoy all of my radios new and old and have all of them displayed in my boom room together. I have no regrets on my purchases.

Now comes the part where I am going to try to say what I want to say without offending anyone because that certainly isn't my intention. I want to start off by saying that I absolutely know nothing about mass production or running a fortune 5 hundred company. I can only speak to my personal experiences, feelings and opinions from the customer side of things based on my previous experiences.

I was one of Bumpboxx's first customers from back in the day. I purchased their very first OG Freestyle Bumpboxx many years ago. I was excited to get it out and let it rip :-) After a while I noticed that my songs were not streaming in stereo. I checked my phones Bluetooth settings and noticed when I adjusted the balance left and right the box was Mono. Upon further investigation, the radio was too. I won't lie, I was bit deflated. At the same time I also knew that I should have researched things a bit better. I was one of the first to notice....so my first thought was to make sure this was known so people spending their money would know what to expect. I figured this would be something people would want to know because I knew how I felt after my purchase and found out.

With that being said, I want to be clear here...I am not bashing Bumpboxx. They never claimed that their first model Freestyle was in stereo. I assumed it was because it had a horn tweeter and a 10 inch woofer on each side. But you know what they say about people that assume. Later, it became stereo and that's a good thing. They listened to their customers. For the BB-777 project, I commend Bumpboxx for sending Techmoan a pre-production model to evaluate. This showed me, the customer, that the company has faith and confidence in their product and is willing to address any issues to improve it. There were a few things that Techmoan noticed that, if it was possible in the current stage of production to correct, were corrected. Especially the CD missing a second or two at the beginning track. I would have caught that one. I now know that radio reception is less when charging. This is all valuable information that is nice to know before you buy. So all of that is a huge plus in my book. People should know what they are buying. Some of the things that were corrected would have been a little discouraging to find out later once it arrived at your doorstep... just like my Mono experience.

I have reason to believe that there will be more old school looking radios to come in the future. Quite possibly the M90 or C100 variants. I mention all of this because we know, and it should be expected, that there are going to be differences between the old and new. Not just because of the added features but because of the available componenets today. We are all aware that the cassette transport isn't going to match the old school radios from any new device. In the case of the M90, I have no doubt the company could accomplish making a full logic control cassette mechanism that would replicate the OG M90 transport, but the cost would be so high for that feature that only us boombox enthusiasts would pay that additional price for a high end cassette player. I am guilty at looking at things from the mindset of a collector who knows and owns these original radios. It was brought to my attention, and rightfully so, that most average consumers who will also be purchasing, and need to outside of our community for it to be financially profitable, likely won't even know what a full logic cassette deck is.

In my mind, when I think of an affordable M90 reproduction from Bumpboxx, I see it being made with a mechanical deck with the keys below the cassette door. I see the cassette side buttons that were used on the OG unit for the full logic transport, being used for CD player, Bluetooth and USB/SD card functions. I see the CD player in the middle above the VU meters or possibly off to the side because I doubt it will have 6 SW modes to choose from. But it's possible :cool:

So, if you are getting hyped on the possibility of a M90 from Bumpboxx that's great. Like Melvin mentioned, I would expect it to be better in every way sound and power wise but its cassette player isn't going to be a sophisticated full logic deck like the OG M90. I imagine a moderm M90 example will likely have mechanical keys below the door. This will cosmetically deviate from the original design but is something I would be interested in seeing how that plays out if that is the next radio coming. Modern features alone are going to change the detailed appearance so I guess cassette keys below the door isn't the end of the world and is just my guess on what I think could happen. IMO if you were wanting to keep the original look as much as possible, the C100F would be a better match cosmetically for the decks available today because it naturally has the keys below the cassette door. But again, this is just my opinion. I do not know the first thing about designing a radio.

I am sure whatever they come out with will be something that will sell and be as close to the original in design as possible.
Yep , the BB 777 is a good way to get the GF 777 look for a more reasonable price .
A M90 replica ? Big risk as that's been done already...........
Future will tell
A C 100 replica would be nice as that would be better quality than the original anyway........
 
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dubout

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To be honest Rob isn't supposed to care what your VAT or tax is, you should.
Strong no. Pledgebox is collecting money on his behalf. I hope we agree on that fact.

He should at least listen. He should know or at least care what it‘s for, tax or VAT or what else. You can‘t tell, I can‘t tell, the only person who could find out is him.

Put yourself in my place. Imagine buying such an item from a european seller. You ask yourself, will I have to pay $200 more when it arrives?! And the seller says ,you‘ll find out when the item arrives! :)‘ And someone on the internet tells you the seller doesn‘t have to know, quote ,you should!'

I know what VAT is where I live but no one cares at this stage to tell me if I already paid it. THAT‘S my problem.

The vibe from them now is ‚pay up, I couldn‘t care less.‘
 
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mellymelsr

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Strong no. Pledgebox is collecting money on his behalf. I hope we agree on that fact.

He should at least listen. He should know or at least care what it‘s for, tax or VAT or what else. You can‘t tell, I can‘t tell, the only person who could find out is him.

The vibe now is ‚pay up, I don’t give a …‘

Put yourself in my place. Imagine buying such an item from a european seller. You ask yourself, will I have to pay $200 more when it arrives?! And the seller says ,you‘ll find out when the item arrives! :)‘ And someone on the internet tells you quote,you should!'
The tax and VAT aren't collected for Bumpboxx, they are collected for your local government. How do you not understand this? Price of the product is on the seller, the price of taxes is on the consumer to understand. You honestly think a company CEO is going to study tax law on every country he sells to? Absolutely not. As a consumer I don't expect him to. Neither should you. His time is taken trying to make a quality product. Taxes don't go in his pocket.
 

dubout

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The tax and VAT aren't collected for Bumpboxx, they are collected for your local government. How do you not understand this? Price of the product is on the seller, the price of taxes is on the consumer to understand. You honestly think a company CEO is going to study tax law on every country he sells to? Absolutely not. As a consumer I don't expect him to. Neither should you. His time is taken trying to make a quality product. Taxes don't go in his pocket.
Clearly you have never ordered something from overseas. It is and always was the sellers responsibility to at least know the basics. Unlike you suggest tax is no rocket science. At least for most people it‘s not.

What about shipping costs? He was able to figure those out for every country. And why? Because that uncertainty would have kept people from ordering. But now tax suddently is none of his business from you point.

From the total numbers it is obvious that thousands of people ordered from outside the US.

What you demand - not suggest - is that every single one of them is resposible to find out by themselves instead of the one person who prospers of all that. With little to no info given. Good for you, I respect that.

My only point was why all the talking about ,you guys‘ and the ,community‘ has a different ring now for me.
 
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Reli

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Put it this way....Any time I buy something on Ebay, from overseas, Ebay doesn't charge me duties. Instead, the shipping service HERE contacts me after it arrives in the US, and tells me what I owe. The seller wouldn't know. Neither would Ebay.
 

dubout

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Put it this way....Any time I buy something on Ebay, from overseas, Ebay doesn't charge me duties. Instead, the shipping service HERE contacts me after it arrives in the US, and tells me what I owe. The seller wouldn't know. Neither would Ebay.
You are talking about duties, I was talking about taxes. Fundamentally different things. And comparing a marketplace with private sellers to an internationally active professional seller is comparing apples to oranges. Please stay fair and don't mix all that togehter.

Plus Ebay DOES collect taxes and duties for the seller. At least in Europe.

I don't want to drag this out more than necessary, I have made my point und understood yours. I just felt the need to clarify.
 
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Brutus442

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I am excited to get my BB-777 because it looks almost identical to the GF-777. I don't have a GF-777 currently, so it will look nice in my collection. This isn't my first Bumpboxx radio. Back in the day I purchased the very first Freestyle boombox speaker that Bumpboxx produced. If I recall correctly, I paid about 5 or 600 hundred dollars for it and I still have it....and it still works to this day. Later, I backed the NWT mini M90 project. I have 3 of them. A blue speaker kickstarter model, a black speaker final production model (when AM was made available) and the Slick Rick version. I enjoy all of my radios new and old and have all of them displayed in my boom room together. I have no regrets on my purchases.

Now comes the part where I am going to try to say what I want to say without offending anyone because that certainly isn't my intention. I want to start off by saying that I absolutely know nothing about mass production or running a fortune 5 hundred company. I can only speak to my personal experiences, feelings and opinions from the customer side of things based on my previous experiences.

I was one of Bumpboxx's first customers from back in the day. I purchased their very first OG Freestyle Bumpboxx many years ago. I was excited to get it out and let it rip :-) After a while I noticed that my songs were not streaming in stereo. I checked my phones Bluetooth settings and noticed when I adjusted the balance left and right the box was Mono. Upon further investigation, the radio was too. I won't lie, I was bit deflated. At the same time I also knew that I should have researched things a bit better. I was one of the first to notice....so my first thought was to make sure this was known so people spending their money would know what to expect. I figured this would be something people would want to know because I knew how I felt after my purchase and found out.

With that being said, I want to be clear here...I am not bashing Bumpboxx. They never claimed that their first model Freestyle was in stereo. I assumed it was because it had a horn tweeter and a 10 inch woofer on each side. But you know what they say about people that assume. Later, it became stereo and that's a good thing. They listened to their customers. For the BB-777 project, I commend Bumpboxx for sending Techmoan a pre-production model to evaluate. This showed me, the customer, that the company has faith and confidence in their product and is willing to address any issues to improve it. There were a few things that Techmoan noticed that, if it was possible in the current stage of production to correct, were corrected. Especially the CD missing a second or two at the beginning track. I would have caught that one. I now know that radio reception is less when charging. This is all valuable information that is nice to know before you buy. So all of that is a huge plus in my book. People should know what they are buying. Some of the things that were corrected would have been a little discouraging to find out later once it arrived at your doorstep... just like my Mono experience.

I have reason to believe that there will be more old school looking radios to come in the future. Quite possibly the M90 or C100 variants. I mention all of this because we know, and it should be expected, that there are going to be differences between the old and new. Not just because of the added features but because of the available componenets today. We are all aware that the cassette transport isn't going to match the old school radios from any new device. In the case of the M90, I have no doubt the company could accomplish making a full logic control cassette mechanism that would replicate the OG M90 transport, but the cost would be so high for that feature that only us boombox enthusiasts would pay that additional price for a high end cassette player. I am guilty at looking at things from the mindset of a collector who knows and owns these original radios. It was brought to my attention, and rightfully so, that most average consumers who will also be purchasing, and need to outside of our community for it to be financially profitable, likely won't even know what a full logic cassette deck is.

In my mind, when I think of an affordable M90 reproduction from Bumpboxx, I see it being made with a mechanical deck with the keys below the cassette door. I see the cassette side buttons that were used on the OG unit for the full logic transport, being used for CD player, Bluetooth and USB/SD card functions. I see the CD player in the middle above the VU meters or possibly off to the side because I doubt it will have 6 SW modes to choose from. But it's possible :cool:

So, if you are getting hyped on the possibility of a M90 from Bumpboxx that's great. Like Melvin mentioned, I would expect it to be better in every way sound and power wise but its cassette player isn't going to be a sophisticated full logic deck like the OG M90. I imagine a moderm M90 example will likely have mechanical keys below the door. This will cosmetically deviate from the original design but is something I would be interested in seeing how that plays out if that is the next radio coming. Modern features alone are going to change the detailed appearance so I guess cassette keys below the door isn't the end of the world and is just my guess on what I think could happen. IMO if you were wanting to keep the original look as much as possible, the C100F would be a better match cosmetically for the decks available today because it naturally has the keys below the cassette door. But again, this is just my opinion. I do not know the first thing about designing a radio.

I am sure whatever they come out with will be something that will sell and be as close to the original in design as possible.
Very good points Transistorized,

Technoman's reviews was extremely helpful for both the prospective buyer and the manufacturer to at least hash out the problems, which they did address. One issue I have not heard if they rectified was the ability to open the the back cover for potential repair. I'd be extremely P'O'd if a few years down the line, the box failed because of a tiny cooling fan failing or a belt that needed changing.
Consumer products in the modern age have the "designed obsolescence" fact or "right to repair" challenges and I just hope this product won't follow suit.
Have your previous Bumpboxes' had the ability to open the case?
 
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Reli

Boomus Fidelis
You are talking about duties, I was talking about taxes. Fundamentally different things. And comparing a marketplace with private sellers to an internationally active professional seller is comparing apples to oranges. Please stay fair and don't mix all that togehter.

Plus Ebay DOES collect taxes and duties for the seller. At least in Europe.

I don't want to drag this out more than necessary, I have made my point und understood yours. I just felt the need to clarify.

I apologize, I thought when you mentioned VAT you meant duties. We don't have VAT in the US. We just have regular sales tax. We do of course have import duties, and Ebay doesn't collect them if we use 3rd party shipping companies. Only if we use Ebay International Shipping service.
 
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Rockin88

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Being a consultant on this project has it's perks. I got an early production test model yesterday. It has the same internals as the production model. External differences are shiny gold plated volume knob and tuner knob instead of brushed metal, red colored back cover instead of black, milder red front case instead of deeper red.
First impressions: great build quality. Truly solid as a rock. Strap will be needed for extended carrying because this unit is heavy. My higher quality cassette recording sound really good with plenty of volume. Bluetooth sound is excellent as well. Even at higher volumes there is zero detected distortion. Bass hits smooth and deep. I will be testing more over the next few days...I already love this thing.
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Thanks for posting this, it's beautiful... I have the black one coming...
Question - What is the frequency range on the SW receiver? The owner's manual does not state that.