Belt kits reality check ouch!...M9990

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thinkchronicity

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I just rebelted two Sanyo M9990s for the first time.Took a stupidly long time and involved removing and refitting the tape heads to get good access. About a year ago I bought a couple of belt kits for the Sanyos from a well-known online place. So far in my other BB repairs I've always got the old belts out, measured and ordered individually, but I thought well, there's a kit out there, so why not? When they arrived I checked the circumferences against the Russell Industries belt specs and they were ok. But when I got the old belts out I noticed that three of them were about half as thick as the new replacements. Hmm.

Anyway, fitted the new belts - they seemed a bit tight, but everything turned ok....or so I thought... until I came to measure the speed and wow&flutter.. On one the speed went from 3002 to 3100Hz and the other from 3000 to 3120Hz . Then the w&f measurements: BB1 went from DIN weighted 0.12 to 0.62 !!! and BB2 from 0.13 to 0.2.(now to complicate things two of the belts were actually clearly the wrong size in the second kit, so the top flywheel belt and the counter belt were bought elsewhere and are slightly different in length and cross-section to the 'official' kit - this may account for the difference in the new figures, but hard to say until I strip them both down again for investigation).

I've learnt then that cross-section really matters. If you go from a 1mm to a 2mm belt thinking it'll be ok, it won't. You have now effectively got two 1mm belts on pulleys doubling the tension at least. Bad news and it gets worse...on the motor to flywheel drive belt, a thicker than spec belt effectively increases the radius of the small motor pulley by a bigger % than the radius of the large flywheel - so the capstan runs faster. I've read that that fact can actually be used to set tape speed in the case of motors with no speed adjustment pot. Interesting!

Luckily I plucked the old belts out from the bin just in time - now I'll go back to measuring and replicating the old stock as close as possible. Every time I try a new belt though I have to remove and replace the heads before testing the result......so it would be great if someone knows the EXACT belts for this model from a supplier. With W&f figures to back them up.

going for a lie down
 

caution

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I've read that that fact can actually be used to set tape speed in the case of motors with no speed adjustment pot. Interesting!

True, but I wouldn't think that would be as reliable as something that dials down the motor voltage, like a divider or regulator.

......so it would be great if someone knows the EXACT belts for this model from a supplier. With W&f figures to back them up.

Page 75 of this catalog lists them. Looking them up on page 278, it says the cross sections in mils are:
SCA5.4 = 70x70, SCY7.0 = 31x34, SCQ10.0 = 53x52, SCY10.5 = 31x31
The exact belts all pop up on ebay and other smaller electronics sites. I linked to Marvac.

You lucked out, it's not always that easy to find new copies of the exact old belt codes.
The site below lists the 9990 on all four belt pages as legit replacements for it, so take that for what you will.
Notice how the cross sections aren't exact, and in one case, a different diameter.
If you feel like they have to be dead-nuts OG spec, buy the original belt codes above.

SBL5.4 = 75x75, SBR7.2 = 28x28, SBT10.0 = 51x51, SBO10.5 = 39x39
 
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thinkchronicity

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True, but I wouldn't think that would be as reliable as something that dials down the motor voltage, like a divider or regulator.
Yeah, it's last resort stuff isn't it? Already the belts on one of my boxes are bedding in and the speed has dropped slightly towards normal (but still way off).

A million thanks for the belt info! I never knew about the end pages in that catalog before. Marvac are going to be getting some business soon. I'll publish the new w&f figures for the hell of it sometime.
 

thinkchronicity

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You lucked out, it's not always that easy to find new copies of the exact old belt codes.
After today's investigations - no, not easy.
I measured the original stock belts and the ones in the online kit (two of which I
replaced with approximates)
You might have to add a mil or two to my results what with measuring er rubber..
ORIGINAL
5.4 65x65
7.0. 30x30
10.0 47x46
10.5 30x30

KIT (just removed)
5.4 78x78
7.0 47x47
10.0 58x59
10.5 59x59

with 42 years stretching the originals match the PRB catalogue I guess. This box was the change in speed by a whopping 4%, so my conclusion is to source the 10.0 drive belt from turntable needles and the rest from marvac.
(Never been more glad that the old micrometer I bought turned out to be in imperial rather than metric, as it was described.)
 
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